Comments on: Phony Chronic Pain Advice–The Reason You Should Research Everything You Read Before You Act On It http://painhealthnews.com/archives/152 Information and motivation for people in pain Wed, 09 May 2012 12:50:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Bonnie Boots http://painhealthnews.com/archives/152/comment-page-1#comment-355 Bonnie Boots Wed, 09 May 2012 12:50:28 +0000 http://painhealthnews.com/?p=152#comment-355 I found NO link anywhere, so emailed the actual University of Copenhagen to ask about the study. Their reply was a form letter stating that there is no such study, their name was used without their permission (seemingly to make the claims sound more credible) and that they get so many request about this non-existant study that it has become a burden to respond. That University has no such position as "Information Manager." I found NO link anywhere, so emailed the actual University of Copenhagen to ask about the study. Their reply was a form letter stating that there is no such study, their name was used without their permission (seemingly to make the claims sound more credible) and that they get so many request about this non-existant study that it has become a burden to respond. That University has no such position as “Information Manager.”

]]> By: Michael Bennett http://painhealthnews.com/archives/152/comment-page-1#comment-354 Michael Bennett Tue, 08 May 2012 17:55:14 +0000 http://painhealthnews.com/?p=152#comment-354 Hi Bonnie, I'm really glad you've debunked this honey/cinnamon nonsense.  I'm also (like the other Michael) looking for the link to the information manager at the University of Copenhagen.  The combination of this post being three years old, and weak "google-fu" on my part, is only turning up reiterations of the claims. I've tried a variety of searches, including looking for "information manager" specifically with reference to "university of copenhagen" arthritis, honey, and cinnamon. I have of course not found any trace of an original study, just regurgitations, but I'd really like the information manager link if you have any more search terms, or any leads that could point me in the correct direction. Hi Bonnie, I'm really glad you've debunked this honey/cinnamon nonsense.  I'm also (like the other Michael) looking for the link to the information manager at the University of Copenhagen.  The combination of this post being three years old, and weak "google-fu" on my part, is only turning up reiterations of the claims.
I've tried a variety of searches, including looking for "information manager" specifically with reference to "university of copenhagen" arthritis, honey, and cinnamon.

I have of course not found any trace of an original study, just regurgitations, but I'd really like the information manager link if you have any more search terms, or any leads that could point me in the correct direction.

]]> By: Bonnie Boots http://painhealthnews.com/archives/152/comment-page-1#comment-347 Bonnie Boots Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:27:45 +0000 http://painhealthnews.com/?p=152#comment-347 Sour cherry juice has been well researched for use in arthritic joint pain, as has fish oil. But as you and other readers have pointed out, it's important to use quality products. And finding quality products can take a huge amount of internet research! A few months ago, I stopped taking fish oil and started taking krill oil, because krill oil is a cleaner source of Omega-3. After reading a survey that showed high levels of mercury and other toxins in fish all over the world, I started researching. It took me more than 30 hours over two months to read about toxins in ocean fish, look for alternative sources, learn about krill, then locate a source of arctic krill oil. Quality doesn't necessarily need to be expensive. In some cases, I have been able to replace a brand-name supplement with a comparable supplement of superior quality for the same price. But I paid a price in hours spent researching. I'd gladly pay a health care professional to advise me on these matters, but have been unable to find anyone qualified in my area, so thank goodness for the internet! Sour cherry juice has been well researched for use in arthritic joint pain, as has fish oil. But as you and other readers have pointed out, it’s important to use quality products. And finding quality products can take a huge amount of internet research! A few months ago, I stopped taking fish oil and started taking krill oil, because krill oil is a cleaner source of Omega-3. After reading a survey that showed high levels of mercury and other toxins in fish all over the world, I started researching. It took me more than 30 hours over two months to read about toxins in ocean fish, look for alternative sources, learn about krill, then locate a source of arctic krill oil. Quality doesn’t necessarily need to be expensive. In some cases, I have been able to replace a brand-name supplement with a comparable supplement of superior quality for the same price. But I paid a price in hours spent researching. I’d gladly pay a health care professional to advise me on these matters, but have been unable to find anyone qualified in my area, so thank goodness for the internet!

]]> By: Angeleyes http://painhealthnews.com/archives/152/comment-page-1#comment-346 Angeleyes Thu, 05 Apr 2012 12:26:15 +0000 http://painhealthnews.com/?p=152#comment-346 <span style="color:#4b0082">Hi Bonnie,</span> <span style="color:#4b0082">Wow! I was Shocked when I read all the comments/ feedback from your readers and all your helpful  research.  I had read a ton about the "Miracle Cure" using Cinnamon & Honey.  I actually went so far as to create in Open Office a Document (4 pgs. long) & was planning on sending it to 7 or so loved ones, friends, etc.  Um, needless to say:  I will not be doing that. I am extremely Outraged at all the phony internet articles I have read/researched on this matter and I am so glad I stumbled upon you when trying to figure out "dosages" on certain illnesses.  I could have actually "killed" the person(s) instead of what I was intending to do (helping them.)  My brother suffers greatly with Arthritis & I have 2 people I was going to help with losing wt.  WRONG!!!  I use 100% Pure Cherry Concentrate which I take 2 Tablespoons on a daily basis before bed.  I also take Fish Oil (Omega -3) 1000 mg gel caps (2 in morning & 2 at night.)  This has helped Me for my Cholesterol, arthritis pain in my legs, and is also good for the Heart!  I will agree with one of your other readers:  Don't go cheap when it comes to Fish Oil as you do NOT want too much Mercury in your body.  I will end this now with a HUGE Thank You and God Bless!</span> Hi Bonnie,
Wow! I was Shocked when I read all the comments/ feedback from your readers and all your helpful  research.  I had read a ton about the "Miracle Cure" using Cinnamon & Honey.  I actually went so far as to create in Open Office a Document (4 pgs. long) & was planning on sending it to 7 or so loved ones, friends, etc.  Um, needless to say:  I will not be doing that. I am extremely Outraged at all the phony internet articles I have read/researched on this matter and I am so glad I stumbled upon you when trying to figure out "dosages" on certain illnesses.  I could have actually "killed" the person(s) instead of what I was intending to do (helping them.)  My brother suffers greatly with Arthritis & I have 2 people I was going to help with losing wt.  WRONG!!!  I use 100% Pure Cherry Concentrate which I take 2 Tablespoons on a daily basis before bed.  I also take Fish Oil (Omega -3) 1000 mg gel caps (2 in morning & 2 at night.)  This has helped Me for my Cholesterol, arthritis pain in my legs, and is also good for the Heart!  I will agree with one of your other readers:  Don't go cheap when it comes to Fish Oil as you do NOT want too much Mercury in your body.  I will end this now with a HUGE Thank You and God Bless!

]]> By: P.Samaras http://painhealthnews.com/archives/152/comment-page-1#comment-344 P.Samaras Sun, 04 Dec 2011 21:49:46 +0000 http://painhealthnews.com/?p=152#comment-344 The contextual orthology of this site urged me to post some annotations. Agreeably people must be skeptical on any piece of information they read. ''Oversimplification'' in combination with ''amazing news" is the recipe for dangerous misguidance. Most of us, if not all, know that, so why do we all get manipulated. People with chronic pain no matter the cause seek relief and are inclined to be open to any new approach. Therefore con-practitioners who are legitimately deprived of ethics, as they do not need to abide to any medical protocols, flourish. So trying to defuse any inappropriate information becomes easier by knowing for fact that if something is genuinely discovered and reviewed you are going to learn about it, most possibly from your doctor. Additionally a single finding of properties (e.g. cinnamon acts as anti-inflammatory) , does not mean that it is appropriate for yours or any other case. Finally to resolve the issue of ''cured'' cases it is simply of psychological nature well known in most clinical trials using qualitative data (subjective measures) as the placebo effect. Placebo effect could present striking results. I would rather say this case of "phony chronic pain advise" has more ethical and psychological attributes rather than medical. The use of meta-cognition would be phenomenal in the avoidance of future same-like cases. Kindly consider my post as a non-professional opinion, as my field of expertise is not on pain and analgesia. The contextual orthology of this site urged me to post some annotations.
Agreeably people must be skeptical on any piece of information they read. ''Oversimplification'' in combination with ''amazing news" is the recipe for dangerous misguidance. Most of us, if not all, know that, so why do we all get manipulated. People with chronic pain no matter the cause seek relief and are inclined to be open to any new approach. Therefore con-practitioners who are legitimately deprived of ethics, as they do not need to abide to any medical protocols, flourish.
So trying to defuse any inappropriate information becomes easier by knowing for fact that if something is genuinely discovered and reviewed you are going to learn about it, most possibly from your doctor. Additionally a single finding of properties (e.g. cinnamon acts as anti-inflammatory) , does not mean that it is appropriate for yours or any other case. Finally to resolve the issue of ''cured'' cases it is simply of psychological nature well known in most clinical trials using qualitative data (subjective measures) as the placebo effect. Placebo effect could present striking results.
I would rather say this case of "phony chronic pain advise" has more ethical and psychological attributes rather than medical. The use of meta-cognition would be phenomenal in the avoidance of future same-like cases.
Kindly consider my post as a non-professional opinion, as my field of expertise is not on pain and analgesia.

]]> By: Bonnie Boots http://painhealthnews.com/archives/152/comment-page-1#comment-343 Bonnie Boots Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:43:59 +0000 http://painhealthnews.com/?p=152#comment-343 I'm all for using nonprescription means whenever possible and practical. However, blood thinners are prescribed in very exact amounts. People using blood thinners have their blood tested monthly, at least, to calculate the amounts to be prescribed. Because we could never know the amount of active ingredients in herbal or spice preparations (or live plants, for that matter) it would not be possible to precisely determine to what extent they would thin the blood I’m all for using nonprescription means whenever possible and practical. However, blood thinners are prescribed in very exact amounts. People using blood thinners have their blood tested monthly, at least, to calculate the amounts to be prescribed. Because we could never know the amount of active ingredients in herbal or spice preparations (or live plants, for that matter) it would not be possible to precisely determine to what extent they would thin the blood

]]> By: Ann Kay http://painhealthnews.com/archives/152/comment-page-1#comment-342 Ann Kay Sun, 02 Oct 2011 15:01:57 +0000 http://painhealthnews.com/?p=152#comment-342 Thank you for this article - I found it while trying to track down the original Danish research to see if it was real or not! Thank you for this article – I found it while trying to track down the original Danish research to see if it was real or not!

]]> By: Bonnie Boots http://painhealthnews.com/archives/152/comment-page-1#comment-331 Bonnie Boots Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:02:52 +0000 http://painhealthnews.com/?p=152#comment-331 Thanks for sharing your advice, Christa. And I'll second it. Don't buy cheap fish oil supplements! It's very important to research the brand you buy and make sure it's from clean ocean waters with no mercury. Thanks for sharing your advice, Christa. And I’ll second it. Don’t buy cheap fish oil supplements! It’s very important to research the brand you buy and make sure it’s from clean ocean waters with no mercury.

]]> By: Christa http://painhealthnews.com/archives/152/comment-page-1#comment-330 Christa Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:32:20 +0000 http://painhealthnews.com/?p=152#comment-330 I LOVE the taste of the honey and cinn on toast and in hot water.  I use the real cinnamin, but didn't expect any benefits, except a treat!  If you want pain relief for arthritis, there are many studies on Omega 3 fatty acids such as fish oil bringing down inflamation in arthritis patients!  I've used it myself and have benefited from it.  Since I have chronic inflammation, I do take a high dose (3,000mg of the EPA and DHA together.  Meaning, I add the EPA + DHA and then take enough pills, split up throughout the day, to equal 3,000mg) and my CRP levels went down and I felt better.  It's also good for the brain!   I advise RA sufferers to read up on it...you won't find any problems finding credible reports.   Also, don't buy cheap stuff!!!  Fish oil needs to be from pristine waters with no mercury!  To you health! I LOVE the taste of the honey and cinn on toast and in hot water.  I use the real cinnamin, but didn't expect any benefits, except a treat!  If you want pain relief for arthritis, there are many studies on Omega 3 fatty acids such as fish oil bringing down inflamation in arthritis patients!  I've used it myself and have benefited from it.  Since I have chronic inflammation, I do take a high dose (3,000mg of the EPA and DHA together.  Meaning, I add the EPA + DHA and then take enough pills, split up throughout the day, to equal 3,000mg) and my CRP levels went down and I felt better.  It's also good for the brain!   I advise RA sufferers to read up on it…you won't find any problems finding credible reports.   Also, don't buy cheap stuff!!!  Fish oil needs to be from pristine waters with no mercury!  To you health!

]]> By: Bonnie Boots http://painhealthnews.com/archives/152/comment-page-1#comment-325 Bonnie Boots Tue, 01 Mar 2011 21:44:33 +0000 http://painhealthnews.com/?p=152#comment-325 Vera, I've made extensive searches on the internet of research sites and I can find no studies or validated information that cinnamon and honey in any form "cure" arthritis. In fact, my doctor has drilled it into me that there is no cure for arthritis because "arthritis" is simple a word that doctors use to describe a group of symptoms. To "cure arthritis," you must identify the source of those symptoms and cure THAT. Here's an article my doctor wrote on the subject--http://curingchronicpain.com/?p=821 And to answer your question about blood thinners--people on blood thinners must be VERY careful to ask their doctor (and I recommend at least 2 opinions) before they add any curative agent, food, medications or substance to their diet. Many herbs and spices besides cinnamon have blood thinning properties. Tumeric, for instance, frequently used in the foods of India, Egypt, Africa and the Middle East, is a powerful blood thinner. a member of my family uses blood thinners and I have often been surprised at how few doctors know that some herbs and spices have blood thinning properties. This is why I recommend asking at least 2 sources and also doing deep internet searches before adding any new substance to your diet. Vera, I’ve made extensive searches on the internet of research sites and I can find no studies or validated information that cinnamon and honey in any form “cure” arthritis. In fact, my doctor has drilled it into me that there is no cure for arthritis because “arthritis” is simple a word that doctors use to describe a group of symptoms. To “cure arthritis,” you must identify the source of those symptoms and cure THAT. Here’s an article my doctor wrote on the subject–http://curingchronicpain.com/?p=821
And to answer your question about blood thinners–people on blood thinners must be VERY careful to ask their doctor (and I recommend at least 2 opinions) before they add any curative agent, food, medications or substance to their diet. Many herbs and spices besides cinnamon have blood thinning properties. Tumeric, for instance, frequently used in the foods of India, Egypt, Africa and the Middle East, is a powerful blood thinner. a member of my family uses blood thinners and I have often been surprised at how few doctors know that some herbs and spices have blood thinning properties. This is why I recommend asking at least 2 sources and also doing deep internet searches before adding any new substance to your diet.

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